Thursday, June 9, 2011

WWE'12: Bigger, Badder, Better...and more Biased?!?

Yes everyone is excited for WWE'12 and the ass kissing has begun about how it is (or will be) the greatest thing EVER!!!  Now for people who know me I'm not an ass kisser.  I stand up and tell people how it is and this will be no exception.

Lets start with the new tag line.

so we went form:   
2010 - It's your World Now (..but only of your a guy)
to:
2011 - This is your Moment (...but only if your Male)

and we're finally at 2012 - Bigger, Badder, Better! (and more biased?)

Well being that its "Badder"  what does that mean for PG and being Family Friendly?

You can't be PG,  Family Friendly and be Bad at the same time...

Being bad doesn't mean you can be cute and cuddly so the little kids like you.

Being Bad means fighting,  and violence, it means chair shots to the head  and being busted open

It means strong language  and stronger actions,  it means having Divas Vs. Superstars in a TLC Match

It means my female character chokeslaming the Undertaker through a table or making the Big Show tap out.

It means being sexy and kicking ass.   it means dropping the warmed over politically correct bullshit and having teeth and balls and not being afraid of stepping on toes or saying the wrong thing.   

Do you think you're that "Bad" THQ?   I don't think so...    you want to prove me wrong?  I dare you!  so I'm calling you out!   This is like Cena and the Rock at Wrestlemania  you have from now until the game comes out.  So I don't mean to be Clich√© but you better Bring It!    but I know you will punk out  I know you will disappoint me.  here is your chance not to.
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  Now when THQ "Asked Fans what they Wanted in the game" I went and I told them this
exact thing. This was the actual post I posted on the website:

"1.Fix the skin chooser  put it back to the way it was where you could adjust it with
the sliders, the color and the tone those boxes for skin color was a terrible idea!  I can't
have the proper skin tone becasue of those boxes and no way to adjust it.

2. Make stuff like resiliency matter again,  what the point of having it if it is worthless.

3. I would have to say I favor the 2 Button Reversal system, have the one for strikes and
one for grapples seemed to work better then the one button thing. I find the one button does
not work as good as the 2

4. Make the Durability ability and Finisher button 2 separate buttons.  right now they are the same.
In a match you should be able to hold down something like select to activate the Durability "heal"
ability  leaving the Finisher button free to be used when needed

5.  Fix the grapple system.  the chain grapples are no good online and the situational grapples
just add fuel to the cheaters.  if your groggy all the time you can't really defend yourself.

6.  all Superstar and Diva parts used to make the preloaded WWE characters should be
available in create mode.  things such as the Undertakers tattoos and Mickie James' hair style
should be selectable and be able to be added to a created character.

7.  Make the game gender neutral again.  get rid of the stupid Mix Tag option and its stupid DQ rules for hitting female characters.  Make it so  once again Superstars created or other wise can fight Divas.  if you do this, this will make people happy again and generate more fun and interesting matches and more people will be playing the game again.  If you don't believe me read this thqletter4svr.blogspot.com/  we need to get back to the way it was in svr09 where we could have Inter gender Tornado Tags and Battle Royals.  Now if you don't want to put it back to that at least make it a choose able option.
In the section where you create a match (for online for example) it says either Superstars or
Divas all you have to do is add in a 3rd option of Anyone or Anybody or Everyone it doesn't
matter and have it be Superstars or Divas or Everyone.

That way if people want only Superstars then they can have it, if they just want
Divas then they can have that or if they want to really open it up and really have fun
like I do they can select the 3rd option.
or Just have it so you can turn off the DQ in Mixed Tags.
putting this like this was the worst idea in the history of SVR ideas!

7A. Also make it so Divas can compete in any match type,  and make it so they can compete against the Guys in any match type as well.

8.  what was the point of the level cap?  I thought it was all "Good news! no more grind in career more, this year you get all the points you need/want"   yeah I can see how that worked out.. I was quite happy grinding away in career mode,  that gave me an opportunity to feel out the game and change things along the way before going online, also I was able to put my stats the way I wanted them.  Not the way I was told how they should be.

9.  As for some thing DLC related  you should be able to possibility download some individual entrance tracks or maybe some music packs and be able to use them in both offline and online situations.  I would love to be able to use Layla's theme entitled "Nasty Girl"  for my entrance music online like I did in SVR09.

10.  Call Names/Ring Intros:   Enough of the random words!  No more "The Bruiser"  or "The Fall Guy"  and trust me not every girl wants to be called Angel!  you try being in a 6 Diva match where everyone is called Angel!   Now true some of the words are useful I know people who use "the Monster"  and "Mr.Amazing"  some of them are good and make sense but what we need more of is real people names  you know I would love it if I could come out to my name just once.  "On their way to the ring from Canada, Shannon!"   that would be awesome!   and is it hard no?   am I asking for much no... is it do able? YES!  hell I was "Sexy Girl"  in SVR09 and I was happy with that.  but you had to go and take that away from me also  I've been "The Superstar"  for both SVR10&11  and I hate it!  if your going do do random words put in stuff like "The Queen" or "Naughty" or how about "Jones" but we need more real people names and you can start with mine. 

11.   If you don't like Number 7 then how about doing this:

in an Online Match as well as and Offline match everything should be adjustable.
For a video game that purports to give the player ultimate control over their creations and
the in game Universe it does a terrible job of it.

everything and I do mean EVERYTHING should have an off/on switch

Blood off/on
Weight Detection off/on
Diva Vs. Superstars off/on
Stamina System off/on
Weapons off/on
Tap Out/Submission off/on
Ring Out off/on
DQ off/on
Ect..

That's the way it should be. simple as that and with that everyone can be happy and play how they like in what ever match they like in anyway they want to do it. if some people what to go and do an ultra realistic match simulation then they can adjust the I guess you would say stipulations anyway way they want to achieve that .
I for one don't want to play an ultra realistic match simulation, i want to have fun and do crazy stuff and be silly have a good time, power bomb the Big Show, punch the Undertaker in the face and win the Royal Rumble while enjoying my online play with my Male and Female friends at the same time.

12. Make the Brand logo that was created in Paint Tool be visible online
instead of that gray thing.having my brand logo would be cool. " 

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Now with that said there as been a new interview this Brian Williams concerning WWE'12
the first part is here the others are there also: http://youtu.be/flU1i72uc9I

Now I don't know this Brian Williams guy personally but I think THQ gets him
to talk to people mainly becasue  he comes off as this young looking, fun, likeable,
animated guy, he speaks very well and is always smiling and somewhat joking around.
I think the PR department sends him out becasue they see him as being
relatable to the fans.

Now after watching the Whole interview I picked out some key things that he said and commented on them

"Were going back to the roots of what made the smackdown series fun to begin with"

Well for 10 years the series was gender-neutral, where Divas could fight Superstars
and vice versa that alone made the series fun for many people and is part of the series'
roots but I doubt it will be in this new game.

"We want you to play how you want to play opposed to how we're forcing you to play"

Uh, yeah I don't think this is going to change on my end of the stick which is already
very short as it is. I'm going to be forced to play a certain way regardless of what he says.

"We want you to be happy about the game"

I use to be...

"Were doing this for you guys, and we want to give you your money's worth"

That seems similar to what he said last year:

"SvR2011 is dedicated to the fans and what they want"

to which I replied "Well I'm a fan and you're not doing me any favors!"
becasue taking away the ability to enjoy the game with my friends both male and female
at the same time limits my enjoyment of the product.

"We don't want to dum it down or take away any functionally from the passed"

we all know this is BS becasue they have already done it.

Also not one word about Divas, just goes to show how important we are...
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any Divas in the game at all.
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 Well I guess that's it then..  according to creative director Cory Ledesma  (this guy)
said in regards to  Divas Vs. Superstars in the new up upcoming WWE'12

"its out of my hands. Male vs Female violence is obviously something WWE and THQ wants to avoid promoting in a teen rated game."

"gender restrictions are the same. We have to follow what happens on WWE TV. We are not allowed to add this back in."

which is kind of stupid when you think of it. like the post below this says it was in the games from the very first Smackdown (2000) right up to Smackdown Vs. Raw 2009.    they never promoted it, it was just always there and it made the games far more fun and enjoyable.

Also people still tell me to stop complaining about it.  Well like I said I don't complain if there is nothing to complain about, I'm not that type of person but this is worth complaining about becasue it is unfair to a great majority of players.  That is why I'm mad with pretty much the whole thing. WWE/THQ is as far as the women are concerned they are two faced and hypercritical  they say one thing and do another.  

So I guess until women start having matches against men *cough* Beth in Royal  Rumble *cough*  you won't see this in WWE games any more,  no matter what anyone says.   and do you know what makes me sad? The number 1 thing right now that everyone is concerned about isn't this..it isn't game play or move set,  the number one thing people care about in WWE12 is whether Randy Orton will have a beard or not...that's your WWE Universe...

This is what a Male player told me in regards to Cory Ledesma's statment:

Gender restriction is dumb and it alienates female players who don't like choosing Superstars to represent them and don't want to be stuck facing Divas forever. And vice versa. Especially online this is problematic because it segregates as mentioned previously. Not everyone wants to play as the opposite gender just to have matches with that gender. Somehow I think if we lived on the fictional planet "Angel One" this would be a non-issue. If it was still an issue, the men would be complaining about the lack of equality in WWE games instead of the women, like they do now. I would like it in so I could play with and/or against my fiancee without her having to choose a Superstar or worry about DQ from accidentally touching a Diva.


Also on a side note Cory Ledesma wants you (the consumer) to stop buying Second Hand games!


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Now I have to say  that it is funny and that Cory Ledesma is an ass..   take a look at
the statement above where he says "We have to follow what happens on WWE TV"  
in the words of the Miz "Really?" so on WWE TV  which is of course WWE Programing,
you are not allowed to take chair shots to the head anymore, Also have you ever noticed
that no body bleeds anymore in the WWE?   No one gets "busted open" as they use to say.
but yet that is still in the game?   true "Divas"  aren't allowed to bleed  heaven forbid a
woman cuts her lips on a tooth during a match.  but still "Superstars"  can take chair shots
to the head and bleed in game but can't on TV.

That leads me to another point which is somewhat the reverse.  They don't want
Women VS. Men but yet they do that on WWE TV  but wait a minute??
"gender restrictions are the same. We have to follow what happens on WWE TV" 
if I'm not mistaken the clip below is from WWE TV:

I know you might say "oh but that was before the PG Era"  I don't know if you
noticed at the start of the video in the upper left where it says "PG"   now I know
she is not fighting Triple H or the Undertaker but still  she is going one on one with a
MALE Superstar!   but apparently according to THQ this doesn't happen on WWETV so
it isn't in the game.  Now there is 58 likes on that video and
what happens when she wins the crowd cheers!  they don't boo, they cheer!
 There are plenty of matches like that and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Tough Enough
WWETV also?  I know it is not the same as Raw or Smackdown but they still had matches
and I believe I seen Ivelisse scoop slamming Eric Watts on tough enough
(I think those are the right people)

 Now that brings me to my next point  The Royal Rumble.  Why can't I compete in the
Royal Rumble while using my Female character?   you might say  
"Women can't be in the Rumble!"  well lets have a little look at this video, its called
"WWE Royal Rumble: By The Numbers"
this short little video appeared before the 2011 Royal Rumble, Lets watch!


Now if you notice at the slider mark of 1:22 it clearly says 2 women competitors,
Chyna and Beth Phoenix but wait a second,  if both Chyna and Beth Phoenix can take
part in the Royal Rumble, why can't I?
remember THQ said "We have to follow what happens on WWE TV"  correct me if
I'm wrong but doesn't The Royal Rumble count as WWETV?   from what I'm being
told its not...

*UPDATE!*

As of January 29th 2012 Kharma (aka Awesome Kong) is now the 3rd Woman
to enter the Royal Rumble and yet chances are women will get to do this on
the game? doubtful.. why?  simple:
"Male vs Female violence is obviously something WWE and THQ wants to avoid 
promoting in the game, We also have to follow what happens on WWE TV"
Yet they allow it on their programing...


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Now with that said we move on to another problem the 6-person tag match.
I remember around the time SVR2011 was coming out that THQ said that it was
Impossible for 6 divas to be in the right at one time, due  to the way the hair was
on the models and if 6-Divas were put into the ring at one time it would crash the
game engine.   That was later proven to be totally Bullshit!
because you can have 6-Divas in a Armageddon Hell in a Cell.  I personally have been
in a few and actually one one and it was online no less and it ran smoothly with no
problems.   After this was pointed out THQ changed their answer saying
That you can't have 6-person tag matches because of the "Diva Hair models"
to which people pointed out you could make 6 Male CAW/CAS and give them
Long "Diva Hair"  and put them in a 6-person tag match and nothing happens.
the game still runs smoothly.

  Now with the up coming WWE12,  THQ  again said that it will be impossible
for 6-Diva Tag matches to take place and the reason given for the inability to
do this?   "Women have "curves"  Yes that was the reason handed down by
Cory Ledesma himself!   a woman's  "curves" will prevent them from having
6 Diva Tags and this did not go over well with the Female players and fans


One female player had this to say:
"I'm so mad the divas get overlooked again, how hard is it to make 
6 diva matches? Hell they wasted their time making 2 versions of 
Orton...let's face it thq,much like wwe,  don't give a crap about the 
divas no matter how much they promise more focus."

"They want to make the game more realistic, they know the fans have 
been asking for this. So why don't they try to work on it? They work on 
other insignificant details of the game but no...divas like always get pushed
aside. Heck if something is wrong for the men, like Orton's punt yea we'll 
definitely change it, no doubt about it but no divas...there's next year..and 
the year after that...and after that. Marcus promised more diva focus but from 
what I'm seeing he either forgets a lot or THQ don't give a crap for divas and 
diva players. Divas always get the short end of the stick, I'm not talking about 
restrictions cause I kind of agree with that but moves, Beth's GlamSlam, 
Melina's split, the faithbreaker, entrances like Eve's. It's like they just put in the 
divas from last year's game and call it the divas roster. I'm surprised they change 
the models. THQ must remember that there are still female players buying the game 
and they too wish that their voices would be heard every once in a while. And now 
year after year we're being ignored.  For me the game never changes because I 
never play as superstars so I don't know the improvements and since they 
never do anything with the divas I feel as if I'm playing the same game as last year's. "

Another Female player had this to say:


The funny thing is that THQ released this comment apologizing to the diva 
fans after the release of the 2011 game:

“Divas…what can I say? You guys clearly want our game to have a bigger Divas influence.
I’ve expressed this to our team, and we’ll see where it comes out in the future.
You guys shouted from the rooftops about Divas, so it’s going to force us to take

a look and see what we can do. ”

What did they do? Exactly, NOTHING again.

They will keep it as it is, bring up a excuse or two about how WWE  "doesn't let them" 

(yeah right...) and that's it!  I highly doubt that WWE doesn't let them having 
6 diva tag matches when they are taking place every week in smackdown and this
week even in superstars.

A few months ago we also had a 8 divas match in superstars and two weeks ago 

a 14 divas(I admit the match was a joke but still) match aswell.
The limitations they are bringing up as a excuse (yes, unfortunately it is one), 

are all modeling based.

Saying that a engine can hold 6 very muscular male caws with long hair 

and tons of other stuff but not having the possibility to hold 6 slim divas because 
of their "curves" is indeed bullshit. Sorry.  Before that they said it was the hair, 
now are the curves, what comes next?

"Oooohhh couldn't apply ANY divas in the game cause we couldn't apply 

their make up on the models"?

If you have a real problem to add something or don't wanna add it, 

then be a professional and give away the real reason.
Making such statements like the ones they did makes them only look 

unprofessional.

Most of all when they promise year after year that "this and that" will be 

added in the next game, only to come up with such statements when the 
time has come all over again and give another empty promise to the players 
so they will still buy the game in the hope to get these things in the next game.

Then when everyone notices that they got fooled, rinse and repeat.

The only real technical issue they might have could be the most obvious 

thing: space on the disc if the new engine needs more.
Due to this they obviously drop out everything they consider as not 

being high priority while adding ortons beard that is high priority 
as example.

He is a wwe cashcow and many people would be buying their product 

because of him after all.  Of course its normal that they will go for things 
that sell first, they are a company after all, but at least come up with a real reason 
instead of lame excuses."


and finally from this player:

"Nothing doesn't look like its going to change either when WWE 12 gets here if their 
really focusing on just game play.  WWE is limiting us on purpose probably to just 
piss every diva fan off which is why we get quick one match shows with the 
diva's on tv with really no story line which sucks."


As you can clearly see people are not happy about the game as it is right now.  in some
of the earlier games female characters seemed like they could do alot more then they started
slowly limiting what they could do, I think that was in part a tactic to see if anyone was paying
attention, but I do believe that that is the main goal to push out the Divas and Diva fans. 


WWE'12 = EPIC DIVA FAIL!

WATCH THIS VIDEO!!
 
DOES THIS SEEM FAIR? 
SERIOUSLY IS THIS FAIR TO THE FEMALE PLAYERS AND DIVA FANS? 
THIS IS INNOVATIVE,FRESH AND NEW?
THIS IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER BIGGER,BADDER,BETTER??
ALL THIS STUFF IS THE SAME?!? WHERE IS THE NEW?
I'M SURE THE GUYS HAVE ALL NEW STUFF ADDED BUT NOPE
DIVAS GET THE SHAFT AGAIN!



WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NEW CREATE PARTS THAT WERE 
SUPPOSE TO BE PUT IN?  I'LL TELL YOU, THEY ARE ALL MALE RELATED
PARTS!  
HELL THERE IS WHAT 4 DIFFERENT RANDY ORTON MODELS? 
THIS IS MORE PROOF THAT WWE/THQ HATES THE FEMALE PLAYERS
AND THE DIVA FANS!  


JOHN CENA IS ON TV 2 SOMETIMES 3 TIMES A WEEK 
PROMOTING "RISE ABOVE HATE"  BUT THEN THEY SEND 
THE OPPOSITE MESSAGE WITH STUFF LIKE THIS
WHY DO YOU HATE US? 


IF YOUR NOT PLAYING THE GAME AS ORTON OR CENA 
OR EVEN THE UNDERTAKER, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU!
THE SAME GOES WITH CAWS IF YOUR CAW IS NOT MALE,
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU! 
WE THE FEMALE PLAYERS AND DIVA FANS 
AREN'T CONSIDERED IMPORTANT !
WE GET SECOND RATE AND LAZY DEVELOPMENT 
IN SOMETHING CALLED "WORLD" WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT 
 WE ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!
WE ARE SECOND RATE, AND APPARENTLY DON'T DESERVE 
THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT OUR MALE 
COUNTERPARTS ARE AFFORDED. 

I PERSONALLY THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO DRIVE
AWAY THE LAST REMAINING FEMALE PLAYERS AND/OR
DIVA FANS AND I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF A POSSABLE
WWE'13 WILL BE DIVA FREE.  I THINK THAT IS THE ULTIMATE
GOAL OF WWE/THQ .

8 comments:

  1. im a male player of the wwe franchise (formally) after 2009 i and about 10 of my friends refused to buy wwe games because of this excat issue im just really glad some1 posted about this instead of just commenting on how the diva have been getting screwed out of their time in the wwe.

    personally this in general had made me stop watching wwe in total and i recently became a tna fan (the other company) hopefully if they come out with a new game they will do all the things wwe wont do ut alas we will see.

    its probably not much but ya got my support

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  2. well I 100% agree with what you say and I'm pretty much of the same mind. I would love for tTNA to come out with a game that was truely Bigger, Badder and Better as well as Unbiased!
    and you might not think it is much but your support means alot to me.

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  3. Really, I once said when Laycool entrance came out and Diva fans were complaining about the lack of effort put into it and that guy said something like this: Why you idiots are complaining atleast they are giving their entrance so stfu, while an other said : I don't care about this, it's not as if I buy the game to play as a Diva(the real divas) anyways and neither do you buy it to play as them.

    I replyed, first off, it is our right to complain because we also BUY THE PRODUCT FULL PRICE and we have the right to be satisfied.
    Secondly, I donot pay this game to play as a Superstar nor do I even give a Damn about Superstars so why should I care about Randy's beard ? You see where I am comming from ? Since I don't care about it, it wouldn't even bother me if it wasn't for the fact that Divas don't get respect neither here nor on TV simply because his majesty the virtual Undertaker has to have all his little tatoos to look more like the real Taker while the Divas well... they can fuck off, oops we mean, we will see what we can do about them...

    Then on an other blog I said, THQ it is easy, give us what we want, those who don't give a damn will not even notice that you upgraded our Divas, also why do you keep adding all this Legends in everygames, when you can simply put them on DLC ?

    As for the Divas, to give us half of them when they aren't that many, in the game while the other half on DLC is really stupid unless if it were for "unactive" Divas I would understand or hell, for an upgraded version of a Diva pack with all their right move sets entrances and feminin motions for create a cut-scene etc. then YES YES YES, it's a smart move, we will buy but if it's for pure crap,which is probably the case, NO NO NO !

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  4. They did bring the divas out in a DLC pack, but it should have been with the game.. pretty long post for a wrestling blog, but I read most of it and agree with most of your points

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    No Smark Chicks

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  5. I really miss the diva vs superstar match......they should bring back the custom table finisher option (e.g AA on Table,Pedigree on table etc),falls count any where matches should be like smackdown 2 where you can go any where you want and we should be able to create taunts,winning poses (like in here comes the pain) and normal moves

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  6. I couldn't even finish reading this tripe. The only person here who seems to be biased is the got writing the article. If he actually knew the TECHNICAL limitations as to why there can only be 4 divas in the ring at once, and why they're not available in all match types, this stupidity wouldn't have been posted. I'd go into the details myself, but I'm entertaining this stupidity enough just by posting this. Browse the net, find out the facts and shut the fuck up. You must be a virgin, because no woman on Earth would want to be associated with a class-A bitch like you, fella.

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