Lets start with the new tag line.
so we went form:
2010 - It's your World Now (..but only of your a guy)
to:
2011 - This is your Moment (...but only if your Male)
and we're finally at 2012 - Bigger, Badder, Better! (and more biased?)
2011 - This is your Moment (...but only if your Male)
and we're finally at 2012 - Bigger, Badder, Better! (and more biased?)
Well being that its "Badder" what does that mean for PG and being Family Friendly?
You can't be PG, Family Friendly and be Bad at the same time...
Being bad doesn't mean you can be cute and cuddly so the little kids like you.
Being Bad means fighting, and violence, it means chair shots to the head and being busted open
It means strong language and stronger actions, it means having Divas Vs. Superstars in a TLC Match
It means my female character chokeslaming the Undertaker through a table or making the Big Show tap out.
It means being sexy and kicking ass. it means dropping the warmed over politically correct bullshit and having teeth and balls and not being afraid of stepping on toes or saying the wrong thing.
Do you think you're that "Bad" THQ? I don't think so... you want to prove me wrong? I dare you! so I'm calling you out! This is like Cena and the Rock at Wrestlemania you have from now until the game comes out. So I don't mean to be Cliché but you better Bring It! but I know you will punk out I know you will disappoint me. here is your chance not to.
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Now when THQ "Asked Fans what they Wanted in the game" I went and I told them this
exact thing. This was the actual post I posted on the website:
"1.Fix the skin chooser put it back to the way it was where you could adjust it with
the sliders, the color and the tone those boxes for skin color was a terrible idea! I can't
have the proper skin tone becasue of those boxes and no way to adjust it.
2. Make stuff like resiliency matter again, what the point of having it if it is worthless.
3. I would have to say I favor the 2 Button Reversal system, have the one for strikes and
one for grapples seemed to work better then the one button thing. I find the one button does
not work as good as the 2
4. Make the Durability ability and Finisher button 2 separate buttons. right now they are the same.
In a match you should be able to hold down something like select to activate the Durability "heal"
ability leaving the Finisher button free to be used when needed
5. Fix the grapple system. the chain grapples are no good online and the situational grapples
just add fuel to the cheaters. if your groggy all the time you can't really defend yourself.
6. all Superstar and Diva parts used to make the preloaded WWE characters should be
available in create mode. things such as the Undertakers tattoos and Mickie James' hair style
should be selectable and be able to be added to a created character.
7. Make the game gender neutral again. get rid of the stupid Mix Tag option and its stupid DQ rules for hitting female characters. Make it so once again Superstars created or other wise can fight Divas. if you do this, this will make people happy again and generate more fun and interesting matches and more people will be playing the game again. If you don't believe me read this thqletter4svr.blogspot.com/ we need to get back to the way it was in svr09 where we could have Inter gender Tornado Tags and Battle Royals. Now if you don't want to put it back to that at least make it a choose able option.
In the section where you create a match (for online for example) it says either Superstars or
Divas all you have to do is add in a 3rd option of Anyone or Anybody or Everyone it doesn't
matter and have it be Superstars or Divas or Everyone.
That way if people want only Superstars then they can have it, if they just want
Divas then they can have that or if they want to really open it up and really have fun
like I do they can select the 3rd option.
or Just have it so you can turn off the DQ in Mixed Tags.
putting this like this was the worst idea in the history of SVR ideas!
7A. Also make it so Divas can compete in any match type, and make it so they can compete against the Guys in any match type as well.
8. what was the point of the level cap? I thought it was all "Good news! no more grind in career more, this year you get all the points you need/want" yeah I can see how that worked out.. I was quite happy grinding away in career mode, that gave me an opportunity to feel out the game and change things along the way before going online, also I was able to put my stats the way I wanted them. Not the way I was told how they should be.
9. As for some thing DLC related you should be able to possibility download some individual entrance tracks or maybe some music packs and be able to use them in both offline and online situations. I would love to be able to use Layla's theme entitled "Nasty Girl" for my entrance music online like I did in SVR09.
10. Call Names/Ring Intros: Enough of the random words! No more "The Bruiser" or "The Fall Guy" and trust me not every girl wants to be called Angel! you try being in a 6 Diva match where everyone is called Angel! Now true some of the words are useful I know people who use "the Monster" and "Mr.Amazing" some of them are good and make sense but what we need more of is real people names you know I would love it if I could come out to my name just once. "On their way to the ring from Canada, Shannon!" that would be awesome! and is it hard no? am I asking for much no... is it do able? YES! hell I was "Sexy Girl" in SVR09 and I was happy with that. but you had to go and take that away from me also I've been "The Superstar" for both SVR10&11 and I hate it! if your going do do random words put in stuff like "The Queen" or "Naughty" or how about "Jones" but we need more real people names and you can start with mine.
11. If you don't like Number 7 then how about doing this:
in an Online Match as well as and Offline match everything should be adjustable.
For a video game that purports to give the player ultimate control over their creations and
the in game Universe it does a terrible job of it.
everything and I do mean EVERYTHING should have an off/on switch
Blood off/on
Weight Detection off/on
Diva Vs. Superstars off/on
Stamina System off/on
Weapons off/on
Tap Out/Submission off/on
Ring Out off/on
DQ off/on
Ect..
That's the way it should be. simple as that and with that everyone can be happy and play how they like in what ever match they like in anyway they want to do it. if some people what to go and do an ultra realistic match simulation then they can adjust the I guess you would say stipulations anyway way they want to achieve that .
I for one don't want to play an ultra realistic match simulation, i want to have fun and do crazy stuff and be silly have a good time, power bomb the Big Show, punch the Undertaker in the face and win the Royal Rumble while enjoying my online play with my Male and Female friends at the same time.
12. Make the Brand logo that was created in Paint Tool be visible online
instead of that gray thing.having my brand logo would be cool. "
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Now with that said there as been a new interview this Brian Williams concerning WWE'12
the first part is here the others are there also: http://youtu.be/flU1i72uc9I
Now I don't know this Brian Williams guy personally but I think THQ gets him
to talk to people mainly becasue he comes off as this young looking, fun, likeable,
animated guy, he speaks very well and is always smiling and somewhat joking around.
I think the PR department sends him out becasue they see him as being
relatable to the fans.
Now after watching the Whole interview I picked out some key things that he said and commented on them
"Were going back to the roots of what made the smackdown series fun to begin with"
Well for 10 years the series was gender-neutral, where Divas could fight Superstars
and vice versa that alone made the series fun for many people and is part of the series'
roots but I doubt it will be in this new game.
"We want you to play how you want to play opposed to how we're forcing you to play"
Uh, yeah I don't think this is going to change on my end of the stick which is already
very short as it is. I'm going to be forced to play a certain way regardless of what he says.
"We want you to be happy about the game"
I use to be...
"Were doing this for you guys, and we want to give you your money's worth"
That seems similar to what he said last year:
"SvR2011 is dedicated to the fans and what they want"
to which I replied "Well I'm a fan and you're not doing me any favors!"
becasue taking away the ability to enjoy the game with my friends both male and female
at the same time limits my enjoyment of the product.
"We don't want to dum it down or take away any functionally from the passed"
we all know this is BS becasue they have already done it.
Also not one word about Divas, just goes to show how important we are...
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any Divas in the game at all.
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Well I guess that's it then.. according to creative director Cory Ledesma (this guy)
said in regards to Divas Vs. Superstars in the new up upcoming WWE'12
"its out of my hands. Male vs Female violence is obviously something WWE and THQ wants to avoid promoting in a teen rated game."
"gender restrictions are the same. We have to follow what happens on WWE TV. We are not allowed to add this back in."
which is kind of stupid when you think of it. like the post below this says it was in the games from the very first Smackdown (2000) right up to Smackdown Vs. Raw 2009. they never promoted it, it was just always there and it made the games far more fun and enjoyable.
Also people still tell me to stop complaining about it. Well like I said I don't complain if there is nothing to complain about, I'm not that type of person but this is worth complaining about becasue it is unfair to a great majority of players. That is why I'm mad with pretty much the whole thing. WWE/THQ is as far as the women are concerned they are two faced and hypercritical they say one thing and do another.
So I guess until women start having matches against men *cough* Beth in Royal Rumble *cough* you won't see this in WWE games any more, no matter what anyone says. and do you know what makes me sad? The number 1 thing right now that everyone is concerned about isn't this..it isn't game play or move set, the number one thing people care about in WWE12 is whether Randy Orton will have a beard or not...that's your WWE Universe...
This is what a Male player told me in regards to Cory Ledesma's statment:
Gender restriction is dumb and it alienates female players who don't like choosing Superstars to represent them and don't want to be stuck facing Divas forever. And vice versa. Especially online this is problematic because it segregates as mentioned previously. Not everyone wants to play as the opposite gender just to have matches with that gender. Somehow I think if we lived on the fictional planet "Angel One" this would be a non-issue. If it was still an issue, the men would be complaining about the lack of equality in WWE games instead of the women, like they do now. I would like it in so I could play with and/or against my fiancee without her having to choose a Superstar or worry about DQ from accidentally touching a Diva.
Also on a side note Cory Ledesma wants you (the consumer) to stop buying Second Hand games!
Now I have to say that it is funny and that Cory Ledesma is an ass.. take a look at
the statement above where he says "We have to follow what happens on WWE TV"
in the words of the Miz "Really?" so on WWE TV which is of course WWE Programing,
you are not allowed to take chair shots to the head anymore, Also have you ever noticed
that no body bleeds anymore in the WWE? No one gets "busted open" as they use to say.
but yet that is still in the game? true "Divas" aren't allowed to bleed heaven forbid a
woman cuts her lips on a tooth during a match. but still "Superstars" can take chair shots
to the head and bleed in game but can't on TV.
That leads me to another point which is somewhat the reverse. They don't want
Women VS. Men but yet they do that on WWE TV but wait a minute??
"gender restrictions are the same. We have to follow what happens on WWE TV"
if I'm not mistaken the clip below is from WWE TV:
I know you might say "oh but that was before the PG Era" I don't know if you
noticed at the start of the video in the upper left where it says "PG" now I know
she is not fighting Triple H or the Undertaker but still she is going one on one with a
MALE Superstar! but apparently according to THQ this doesn't happen on WWETV so
it isn't in the game. Now there is 58 likes on that video and
what happens when she wins the crowd cheers! they don't boo, they cheer!
There are plenty of matches like that and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Tough Enough
WWETV also? I know it is not the same as Raw or Smackdown but they still had matches
and I believe I seen Ivelisse scoop slamming Eric Watts on tough enough
(I think those are the right people)
Now that brings me to my next point The Royal Rumble. Why can't I compete in the
Royal Rumble while using my Female character? you might say
"Women can't be in the Rumble!" well lets have a little look at this video, its called
"WWE Royal Rumble: By The Numbers"
this short little video appeared before the 2011 Royal Rumble, Lets watch!
Now if you notice at the slider mark of 1:22 it clearly says 2 women competitors,
Chyna and Beth Phoenix but wait a second, if both Chyna and Beth Phoenix can take
part in the Royal Rumble, why can't I?
remember THQ said "We have to follow what happens on WWE TV" correct me if
I'm wrong but doesn't The Royal Rumble count as WWETV? from what I'm being
told its not...
*UPDATE!*
As of January 29th 2012 Kharma (aka Awesome Kong) is now the 3rd Woman
to enter the Royal Rumble and yet chances are women will get to do this on
the game? doubtful.. why? simple:
"Male vs Female violence is obviously something WWE and THQ wants to avoid
promoting in the game, We also have to follow what happens on WWE TV"
Yet they allow it on their programing...
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Now with that said we move on to another problem the 6-person tag match.
I remember around the time SVR2011 was coming out that THQ said that it was
Impossible for 6 divas to be in the right at one time, due to the way the hair was
on the models and if 6-Divas were put into the ring at one time it would crash the
game engine. That was later proven to be totally Bullshit!
because you can have 6-Divas in a Armageddon Hell in a Cell. I personally have been
in a few and actually one one and it was online no less and it ran smoothly with no
problems. After this was pointed out THQ changed their answer saying
That you can't have 6-person tag matches because of the "Diva Hair models"
to which people pointed out you could make 6 Male CAW/CAS and give them
Long "Diva Hair" and put them in a 6-person tag match and nothing happens.
the game still runs smoothly.
Now with the up coming WWE12, THQ again said that it will be impossible
for 6-Diva Tag matches to take place and the reason given for the inability to
do this? "Women have "curves" Yes that was the reason handed down by
Cory Ledesma himself! a woman's "curves" will prevent them from having
6 Diva Tags and this did not go over well with the Female players and fans
One female player had this to say:
"I'm so mad the divas get overlooked again, how hard is it to make
6 diva matches? Hell they wasted their time making 2 versions of
Orton...let's face it thq,much like wwe, don't give a crap about the
divas no matter how much they promise more focus."
"They want to make the game more realistic, they know the fans have
been asking for this. So why don't they try to work on it? They work on
other insignificant details of the game but no...divas like always get pushed
aside. Heck if something is wrong for the men, like Orton's punt yea we'll
definitely change it, no doubt about it but no divas...there's next year..and
the year after that...and after that. Marcus promised more diva focus but from
what I'm seeing he either forgets a lot or THQ don't give a crap for divas and
diva players. Divas always get the short end of the stick, I'm not talking about
restrictions cause I kind of agree with that but moves, Beth's GlamSlam,
Melina's split, the faithbreaker, entrances like Eve's. It's like they just put in the
divas from last year's game and call it the divas roster. I'm surprised they change
the models. THQ must remember that there are still female players buying the game
and they too wish that their voices would be heard every once in a while. And now
year after year we're being ignored. For me the game never changes because I
never play as superstars so I don't know the improvements and since they
never do anything with the divas I feel as if I'm playing the same game as last year's. "
Another Female player had this to say:
The funny thing is that THQ released this comment apologizing to the diva
fans after the release of the 2011 game:
“Divas…what can I say? You guys clearly want our game to have a bigger Divas influence.
I’ve expressed this to our team, and we’ll see where it comes out in the future.
You guys shouted from the rooftops about Divas, so it’s going to force us to take
a look and see what we can do. ”
What did they do? Exactly, NOTHING again.
They will keep it as it is, bring up a excuse or two about how WWE "doesn't let them"
(yeah right...) and that's it! I highly doubt that WWE doesn't let them having
6 diva tag matches when they are taking place every week in smackdown and this
week even in superstars.
A few months ago we also had a 8 divas match in superstars and two weeks ago
a 14 divas(I admit the match was a joke but still) match aswell.
The limitations they are bringing up as a excuse (yes, unfortunately it is one),
are all modeling based.
Saying that a engine can hold 6 very muscular male caws with long hair
and tons of other stuff but not having the possibility to hold 6 slim divas because
of their "curves" is indeed bullshit. Sorry. Before that they said it was the hair,
now are the curves, what comes next?
"Oooohhh couldn't apply ANY divas in the game cause we couldn't apply
their make up on the models"?
If you have a real problem to add something or don't wanna add it,
then be a professional and give away the real reason.
Making such statements like the ones they did makes them only look
unprofessional.
Most of all when they promise year after year that "this and that" will be
added in the next game, only to come up with such statements when the
time has come all over again and give another empty promise to the players
so they will still buy the game in the hope to get these things in the next game.
Then when everyone notices that they got fooled, rinse and repeat.
The only real technical issue they might have could be the most obvious
thing: space on the disc if the new engine needs more.
Due to this they obviously drop out everything they consider as not
being high priority while adding ortons beard that is high priority
as example.
He is a wwe cashcow and many people would be buying their product
because of him after all. Of course its normal that they will go for things
that sell first, they are a company after all, but at least come up with a real reason
instead of lame excuses."
and finally from this player:
"Nothing doesn't look like its going to change either when WWE 12 gets here if their
really focusing on just game play. WWE is limiting us on purpose probably to just
piss every diva fan off which is why we get quick one match shows with the
diva's on tv with really no story line which sucks."
As you can clearly see people are not happy about the game as it is right now. in some
of the earlier games female characters seemed like they could do alot more then they started
slowly limiting what they could do, I think that was in part a tactic to see if anyone was paying
attention, but I do believe that that is the main goal to push out the Divas and Diva fans.
WWE'12 = EPIC DIVA FAIL!
WATCH THIS VIDEO!!
DOES THIS SEEM FAIR?
SERIOUSLY IS THIS FAIR TO THE FEMALE PLAYERS AND DIVA FANS?
THIS IS INNOVATIVE,FRESH AND NEW?
THIS IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER BIGGER,BADDER,BETTER??
ALL THIS STUFF IS THE SAME?!? WHERE IS THE NEW?
I'M SURE THE GUYS HAVE ALL NEW STUFF ADDED BUT NOPE
DIVAS GET THE SHAFT AGAIN!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NEW CREATE PARTS THAT WERE
SUPPOSE TO BE PUT IN? I'LL TELL YOU, THEY ARE ALL MALE RELATED
PARTS!
HELL THERE IS WHAT 4 DIFFERENT RANDY ORTON MODELS?
THIS IS MORE PROOF THAT WWE/THQ HATES THE FEMALE PLAYERS
AND THE DIVA FANS!
JOHN CENA IS ON TV 2 SOMETIMES 3 TIMES A WEEK
PROMOTING "RISE ABOVE HATE" BUT THEN THEY SEND
THE OPPOSITE MESSAGE WITH STUFF LIKE THIS
WHY DO YOU HATE US?
IF YOUR NOT PLAYING THE GAME AS ORTON OR CENA
OR EVEN THE UNDERTAKER, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU!
THE SAME GOES WITH CAWS IF YOUR CAW IS NOT MALE,
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU!
WE THE FEMALE PLAYERS AND DIVA FANS
AREN'T CONSIDERED IMPORTANT !
WE GET SECOND RATE AND LAZY DEVELOPMENT
IN SOMETHING CALLED "WORLD" WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT
WE ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!
WE ARE SECOND RATE, AND APPARENTLY DON'T DESERVE
THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT OUR MALE
COUNTERPARTS ARE AFFORDED.
I PERSONALLY THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO DRIVE
AWAY THE LAST REMAINING FEMALE PLAYERS AND/OR
DIVA FANS AND I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF A POSSABLE
WWE'13 WILL BE DIVA FREE. I THINK THAT IS THE ULTIMATE
GOAL OF WWE/THQ .
